#8 Barack Obama
January 19, 2008 by clander
Because white people are afraid that if they don’t like him that they will be called racist.
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ABC News has a story out today titled, “The $100 Million Health Care Vote?” And everyone, Republican, Democrat, Montana militia, spiky haired thin T-shirt nerds over at Move On Dot Org, everyone, should read it.
The health care bill is 2074 pages long. Have you ever wondered why it’s so long? Well one of the reasons is that the Democrats writing the bill are facing serious opposition within their own party so, naturally, the people unwilling to go along with government run health care, in this case, need to be …er …bribed.
The ABC article gives an excellent example of how these bribes take place:
“On page 432 of the Reid bill, there is a section increasing federal Medicaid subsidies for “certain states recovering from a major disaster” In the following two pages, “States recovering from a major disaster” is defined. The authors could have just written, “$100,000,000 shall be given to Democrat Mary Landriu, moderate Senator from Louisiana …but that would sound too much like a bribe….which you know, wouldn’t be exactly ethical.
Read the whole story here: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/the-100-million-health-care-vote.html
The Democrats in the House and Senate have control of our money and they see nothing wrong with bribing each other with our money in order to pass legislation that will increase their control over us. You and I are paying for others to rob us of our wealth and our freedom.
2010 will be our first opportunity to break free from this tyranny. Keep track of who votes for these bills, put their names up on your refrigerator, visualize their defeat and resolve to do everything you can to make it happen.
Never fret my friends. I’m white and I publicly dispise Mr. Obama. It has nothing to do with race and everything with him bowing to every leader of countries we’re trying to repair relations with. We are equal. Quit showing the top of your head in a sign of submission Mr. President. Who else could spend more in 9 months of presidency than the other 43 presidents combined? I miss Bush already.
I found myself laughing out of surprise at your last line! I heard a commentator the other day say, “Everyday we’re learning to appreciate Bush more and more.”
This last trip B.O. took overseas was especially pathetic. I’m not only referring to the bowing but the general mood. In China, for example, B.O. gave a “Press conference” where the press was not allowed to ask questions and then he had a “Town hall meeting” that was not shown to the rest of the country. Watching the leader of the free world being lead around by the nose and made to participate in un-American events was indeed, pathetic. In between these events, the Chinese lectured B.O. on economics (They are hoping to get paid back some day). And the strangest part was that I found myself hoping that B.O. was taking notes.
When W. Bush went overseas one had the feeling that American power went with him, not so at all with B.O.
Ofcourse you would miss Bush Kalijuh, most dumbasses would. Get over it son. He is gone and he left this big ol mess we are in now. I notice you people don’t ever want to acknowledge the fact that things are looking brighter under President Obama watch. I guess your head is stuck too far up your ass to realize it though. Either way, he is your President so get use to it boy.
Mr BIG Dick has spoken
You know, the marvelous thing about the English language is that words can be arranged in an almost endless number of combinations, for example, I could write, “Hello, my name is Big and there is an armadillo living under my toupee”
Another combination of actual English words formed to make a complete sentence might be, “I notice you people don’t ever want to acknowledge the fact that things are looking brighter under President Obama[‘s] watch.”
Rather than focusing on the, “Barking mad” nature of people who combine words which revel a psyche that the late Sigmund Freud might have described as, “Spooky,” … We should all instead try to realize that creativity is a marvelous human trait and that apart from this site it is rarely exhibited in the lower primates. If we remember this and also remember that today is Friday and also remember that in a few hours we can all have some beer … people with creative bents like Big can be enjoyed … at a distance.
I see you like my name, does the BIG turn you on Paulie?
I’ve often written in these posts that socialism always brings misery. I got the line form a familiar Reagan quote,
“The problem with capitalism is the uneven distribution of wealth, the problem with socialism is the even distribution of misery.”
In a couple of days the Senate may vote for a government takeover of the one sixth of our economy known as the health care industry. The people don’t want a government take over and if it happens it will be the doing of one party only. The minority party, which represents some 48% of Americans, was locked out of the back room dealings. In the house bill, 39 Democrats joined with Republicans to kill the bill making the side against the bill the truly bipartisan side. But none of this matters, the bill rolls on anyway.
I’d like to point something out: We all know that in America different people have different health care plans, different deductibles, different access to doctors, different treatments allowed, and some people, I’d quote the number but it keeps changing, don’t have health care insurance at all. Have you noticed that the government is not considering RASING the quality of health care to that offered in the very best plans but rather the government is seeking to EQUALIZE health care? In fact, people with really good plans, the so called, “Cadillac” plans will be hit with a tax!
The government is not interested in excellence, or if it is it realizes that it can in no way offer it. In true government form, mediocrity will be the watch words of anything to come out of the government’s control of health care.
Socialism always brings misery.
Do you like the DMV? You’re going to love government health care!
I really like to read Obama’s speeches! No, I do. Have you ever had the experience where you discover your child covered in mud and you say, “Did you go outside without asking?” And the little guy looks right at you and says, “No.” Well, that’s the feeling you get from reading Obama speeches.
For a person who likes to write negative things about Obama, and I do, reading old Obama speeches is like going to Disneyland, there is just so much there that you can’t possibly write about all of it.
Consider the topic of Lobbyists. You’d think that B.O. doesn’t like them. At least he’s said that he doesn’t like them… a lot. Here is a B.O. speech from 2006 where he spoke about evil lobbyists at length:
http://obamaspeeches.com/047-Lobbying-Reform-Summit-National-Press-Club-Obama-Speech.htm
“I will not hire Lobbyists” was a key ingredient of B.O’s campaign. Drug company lobbyists, Wall Street Lobbyists, Oil Company Lobbyists and on and on …. (Strangely he never mentioned Environmental Lobbyist, Union Lobbyists or Gay rights Lobbyists, etc.)
I fully understand that in these times, no one expects anyone else to tell the truth. If B.O. lies, “Well, he’s lying less than George W. Bush!” is probably what we’d hear from the left. Maybe no-one really expected B.O. to keep his word and do the things that he said he was going to do when he was campaigning? Maybe people don’t mind B.O. lying so much because, hey, he’s not George W. Bush AND he’s kind of cute?
I encourage anyone who cares to go on-line and do a Google search for something like, “Obama, promises.” You’ll have lots of hits. The sites typically list the promises and some sites indicate which ones have been kept and which have been broken.
Anyway, back to Lobbyists. Here’s a short list of a few of the Lobbyists that B.O. has hired.
“B.O., did you hire a Lobbyist?” “No.”
* Melody Barnes, lobbyist for American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
* William Corr, lobbyist for Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids,
* Patrick Gaspard, lobbyist for Service Employees International Union.
* David Hayes, lobby San Diego Gas & Electric.
* Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, lobbyist for bankrupt Global Crossing telecommications.
* Ron Klain, lobbyist for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.
* William Lynn, lobbyist for Raytheon.
* Cecilia Munoz, lobbyist for National Council of La Raza
* Mark Patterson, lobbyist for Goldman Sachs.
* Mona Sutphen, lobbyist for Angliss International.
* Michael Strautmanis
Do you have a citation for Obama saying he wouldn’t hire any lobbyists?
That’s a good question, Roy. I will find the exact quotes and quote the exact speeches as soon as I find them.
I did some quick digging and found the following on Wikipedia, The Presidency of B.O. To read the entire article you can go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Barack_Obama#Ethics
The following is from the Wikipedia article:
Lobbying reform
Early in his presidential campaign, Obama stated that “they [lobbyists] “won’t find a job in my White House”, but softened his stance later in the campaign
As of March 21, 2009 at least thirty officials appointed by Obama had been lobbyists in the past five years.
The Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington have criticized the administration, claiming that Obama is retreating from his own ethics rules barring lobbyists from working on the issues about which they lobbied during the previous two years by issuing waivers.
You can do a Google search for “Candidate Obama, Lobbyists” and you’ll get hits for a great many speeches where B.O. just attacks Lobbyists.
Oh a P.S. on the subject of Lobbyists and Ethics:
I don’t really have a problem with Lobbyists, I’ve only brought up the matter because hating them and everything they stand for was a staple of pre-president Obama.
I find it bizarre that B.O. thinks that the secret to ethics reform in Washington in regard to Lobbyists is to regulate what Lobbyist’s can and can not do. It’s as if B.O. is saying, “We in Washington would be ethical and always do what is right EXCPET THAT Lobbyists keep taking us out to lunch!”
I may be off the mark here but shouldn’t we demand that the responsibility for being ethical reside in the bosom of our elected officials?
Can you all just chill out and just enjoy this funny blog and stop bitchin and making try hard comments about fucking each others mothers?
Under the heading of, “A picture tells a thousand words” you can go to the link below and see a picture of B.O. spreading his special message of American weakness and confusion by bowing to the Emperor of Japan.
B.O. is so strange!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-emperor-akihito-japan.html
Bowing isn’t so much the problem as how low he bowed. Two completely different messages in Japanese culture. It just continues to show how ignorant obamao and his handlers are about everything.
YUP!!
Yes siree.. unfotunately you are right…. Barak obama is a house Negroe for the elite… pretty sad i say…
fall of the republic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU
check out the link….
Yes siree, you seem to be a little hostile towards the President. I know, it’s a damn shame he ain’t as gangsta as me. Who else do ya know who can shoot a muthafucka in the face and then they ass go on t.v and apologize for getting shot. That’s gangsta bitchesss. To bad me and my fellow republicans could’nt do a better job in running a country.
Dick Cheney? Wow man… I didn’t know a big wig like you would have the time to frequent a frivilous website such as this one… Man… I gotta tell ya.. I’m dissapointed… You’re hella gangsta and you didn’t school your little cousin Barak on your gangsta ways…? What gives…? I mean he is cousin with both you and Georage bush…
LOL! get out of the left right paradigmn… They’re all on the same team homey…. ALL.. on the same team…
so don’t assume that I am a republican, cause far from it am I… Cynthia Mckinney is who I voted for… a REAL black person… LOL!
That’s Mr Big Dick to you son. I’m proud of you boy, what a way to throw away your vote. You voted for who? LOL That was funny.
hahaha! You’re so stupid Mr. Dick…. Its people like you who get brainwashed by the media into thinking that one person cannot make a difference. You have bought the lie that resistance is futile and so rather than vote for the best candidate, you vote for the one you think has the best chance of winning…. and then you bend over…
You kinda typify the limp wristed know-it-all knumbskull who is a bandwagon voter letting the bill of rights be turned into toilet paper.LOL!
think about it man… You gotta vote with your conscience…lemme guess you like the yankees, Patriots and lakers too right?
Hi MarkieB, I see you decided to defend your wasted vote. I guess your candidate did’nt offer hope to the masses. I guess that is why their ass is at home, just like you, being the loser that they are. LOL
You definitely typlify the limp wrist, knownothing knumbskull that would cut off his nose to spit his face. You don’t see the forest for the trees. You are a nitwit. The only thing that is toilet paper is your keyboard because off all the shit you type.
No I don’t like the Yankees, Patriots or the Lakers. And if I did, what the fuck you going to do about it LOSER.
Oh yeah, and it’s Mr Big Dick to you boy.
I’ve been thinking recently that it takes a lot of courage to be free. Specifically, I was thinking about the trauma in my own life, many years ago, revolving around my leaving home. See, I wanted to be free for a whole bunch of reasons most of them relating directly back to the issues of “romance.” Also, there was the point that I hated watching my parents eat. For these reasons and more I decided at eighteen that I should leave home.
My parents were against my bid for freedom for reasons relating to the fact that I had little money, a funky first job and no experience taking care of myself. So the stage was set for a classic confrontation, the parents acting out of love and the instinctual desire to protect and care for their young vs. me acting out of the desperate need to be free and engage in, “romance” until the cows came home.
What happened over the weeks before I actually left was a study in pure socialism. My parents, believing that they knew best how I should live my life, attempted to exert control over me …”for my own good.” My mother explained one day that I was likely to starve to death. It turned out that I could live quite nicely on peanut butter sandwiches and top roman and did so for almost a year. My father tried all sorts of ingenious ways to control me through finances. He’d be happy to pay my car insurance, by my text books, insure that I had spending money, etc, etc if only I’d give up this stupid idea of moving out …”and ruining my life.”
I remember my first night in my own apartment very well, I was scared! I had a piece of plywood over a box for a table. A mattress on the floor, peanut butter and jelly in the fridge, no money for rent due in about twenty days or for utilities also due in about twenty days …what a mess. In the back of my mind was everything my parents had been saying …and I knew that my parents were right. I would live better if I had stayed at home and let them take care of me. But I wasn’t about living better; I was about living free … and, “romance.”
I think that we Americans are in real danger of loosing our freedom by being talked into moving back home. The government is telling us that we’d live better if we’d just give up some freedom and let them take care of our health care … for our own good. We’d live better if the government ran our car companies and if the government decided how much money we can make and if the government controlled our school loans and if the government decided what parts of the economy should grow and which should die. We’re being told that we don’t have what it takes to take care of ourselves. It’s going to take courage to say, “No, that’s all right mom. I love you but I want to live as a free person. I’ll take my chances and take care of myself.”
you’re a thinker..indeed… cheers!
Very thought provoking. Judging by the responses, you have to wonder if these people are reading the same post. Have you noticed that most of the people posting here lack an ability to think critically?
Well, you know, the “Public Square of ideas” can be a strange place! Fun though.
Fuck you Greg. You homosexual douchebag.
Here we have a fine example of the liberal thought process. Cannot form an entire thought without some negative reference to their own sexual preference. Then call conservatives homophobes.
Here we have a fine example of the conservative thought process. Cannot form an entire thought without some negative reference to their own ignorant preference. And they wonder why they are called dumbass.
Since they don’t have anything intelligent to say, they change their SN and say something ignorant anyway. Isn’t the internet great, you can be just as ignorant as you wanna be and just as anonymous. Nobody really knows who in the world could be this freakin’ stupid. Except for the fact that this douchebag is a liberal. Speaks well of the rest of your ilk fruitcake.
What exactly did this have to do with white people liking Obama because they are afraid to be called racist?
exactly what i was thinking!
Yes, you did paulie boo, and we have been happily screwing each other ever since in your lovely place. Touch me softly in the morning like you always do baby. Whisper sweet negative things about their president. Oh, it makes me soo hot. I love you!!!
WHY CAN’T I QUIT YOU?!!!
” What a piece of work is man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world – the paragon of animals! ”
William Shakespeare, Hamlet (Act II – Sc. II)
I’m trying to tell you something here. Your birthright is that of a near god. You weren’t born a dog.
But I enjoy bending you over and pumping you in your butt doggie style. Woof woof!!
here’s some more foul mouthed drivel for you to think about…
SHUT
THA
FUCK
UP
You Dumbassed she-man bitch. Go back to asian girls and do what you do best, lick men’s balls and suck big cocks, you worthless country piece of asswipe.
Your penis envy is showing again, douchebag.
Don’t you wish your meat was small like mine. I have a whooping one and a half inches of pure thunder in my trousers. What you got, I could pleasure myself with a cheerio and still have enough room to spare, can YOU? Save your ilk for someone who cares, douchebag.
Dude, you got issues. I’m thinking masochistic, insecure, homo-erotic issues. What you post doesn’t give your target audience the impression of you, that you think it does.
Good luck with that!
I know, it gives the target audience an impression of YOU.
How utterly liberal of you. I’m always amazed at the complete lack of mental acuity shared by all of the liberal faith.
Liberal my foot up your ass.
Tell it to your mother, princess.
I like poop too
loser
yo momma beeeeeooooottttch
I’ve worked in finance for a long time and one thing that I know for sure is that it’s very, very hard to predict the economic future. That’s because there are so many variables that can affect the outcome. For example everything might be going along swimmingly and the country is on track for a good GDP number but then trouble in the Mid East causes oil to spike, gas costs more, earnings get smacked and bada-boom the GDP number isn’t all that great. Lot’s of variables. So with that disclaimer let me say that I can not imagine any way that B.O.’s economic plan is going to turn out anything but not good.
What B.O. should be doing is cutting taxes. Our corporate tax is the second highest in the world, why not cut it and help every single U.S. Corporation to become more competitive? Why not cut the payroll tax and encourage hiring? Why not cut the tax on buying and selling securities and encourage investing? Why not cut the income tax and instantly put more money in everyone’s pocket? Well, all of that would make sense and it’s the proven way to exit a recession BUT all of that tax cutting takes power from government and puts it in the hands of American’s and American business …and that does not fit in well with the central planning, big government ideology of the B.O. administration and our Democrat friends in Washingtion.
Our government, instead of cutting taxes, is trying to increase growth by spending (Very selectively) into the economy but the government can not give unless it has first taken away. To have money to spend the government must either tax, barrow or print, Lately it’s been printing and barrowing. Just in case you are saying to yourself, “What does all of this have to do with me” consider the following.
When B.O. took office oil was 46 dollars a barrel, today it’s 78 dollars a barrel, an increase of 69%. As B.O. prints and barrows it causes the Dollar to drop in value (More dollars available makes each worth less) hence the increase in everything imported. The price of a gallon of gas at the gas station is directly linked to the current policy of printing and barrowing money.
If you want to get a feel for how much the dollar has dropped just look at gold. When B.O. took office gold was 884 per oz, today it’s 1107 per oz, an increase of 25.22% The policy of printing and borrowing are killing the dollar and reducing the purchasing power of all Americans. So, even as B.O. pumps money into the economy, money is in essence removed from the economy.
American’s are out of work and our economic future is being spent all because B.O. and gang believe that the government, not individual Americans, should be the source of all that is good in America.
I read your diatribe Paulie4, and you NEVER cease to amuse me.
“When B.O. took office oil was 46 dollars a barrel, today it’s 78 dollars a barrel, an increase of 69%.”
Since you want to jabber about oil prices, how much were they last year. A barrel of oil was around…. say..damn near $150!!!! I guess that does’nt count eh? As far as health care is concerned, you dumbass rePUBICans are full of it more. Government health is bad, bad, bad. Hey dumbass, is gov. car insurance bad? Yes, there is a government car insurance fund for drivers who can’t get insurance from the major insurance companies. Alot of the smaller insurance companies are part of that fund. Last I checked, car insurance was not ruined, so how the hell will healthcare as we know it be destroyed. How will prices go thru the roof because of Obama when they are sky high and rising now for no reason? It never cease to amaze me the stupidity of certain americans. Fighting for the PROFITS of the insurance companies. And you wonder why I call you a dumbass.
yucka yucka yucka
Hmmm, I wrote a rather good response to all of this but it doesn’t seem to be here? You haven’t seen it have you? Maybe I forgot to send it? Well, I tell you what, I’m going to include a link …here it is: http://biz.yahoo.com/p/sum_qpmd.html
The above link will take you to a list of U.S. industries. Off to the right of the graph you’ll see a column marked, “Net Profit %.” Here, you’ll discover that “Health Plans,” also known as, “The evil insurance companies” rank as the 86th most profitable industry in the U.S.
The left has created a boogeyman and they’ve convinced a good percentage of the public that said boogeyman lives under their beds and that B.O. and gang are absolutely indispensable as they alone have experience removing boogeymen and insuring that homes are filled with the smell of baking apple pies. All that is required from the public is wealth and freedom.
The myth of the evil price gouging insurance industry is one of the simplest to disprove. At the same time as we prove that the insurance companies are not evil we can prove that B.O. and gang are liars, as this is a leftist mainstay. …we get a twofer.
If I’ve placed my original response …the one that’s lost, somewhere on this site and you’re saying to yourself, “Gzzz, Paulie4 is repeating himself and also saying the same things over and over” I apologize!
Hope everyone has a great weekend.
Did you happen to catch Glenn Beck last night. Brilliant. He had about 25-30 black conservatives on to talk about obamao and the direction of the country.
All were articulate, spoke proper English, and made intelligent, thought provoking statements. A very refreshing change from the leftwingnuts posing here. The largest part of the black demographic votes democrat, but don’t know the first damn thing about institutionalized racism inherent in the democrats perpetuating the victim mentality.
obamaos appeal is based solely on the get something for nothing mentality of the entitlement culture the democrats invented. This effects a lot of poor whites as well. Well…….. I don’t need to tell you that. You already know. The rest of the fruitbats that post here don’t want to hear it, because getting off their asses and doing something would require some w-o-r-k.
As long as obamao is in office they know their livelyhood will be taken care of by whitey.
I think I’ll write about racism for a second. Before I start, let me say that I don’t really know anything about racism. In all my life and travels I can say that I’ve never really seen racism. Don’t get me wrong, I know it exists, somewhere, but it’s never been a part of my life. I’ve worked with, and work now, with people from other races, religions and cultures and we all seem to get along just fine. What I do know something about is human nature.
Roger Bannister of England was the first runner to break the four minute mile; he did it on May 6th 1954. Running is one of, if not the oldest, sports there is and yet it took until 1954 for a man to run the mile in less than four minutes. Running faster than four minutes was considered by many to be impossible, a matter of physics. Now here’s what I find amazing, the second man to run faster than four minutes, John Landy, who also broke Bannister’s record, ran just six weeks after Bannister! And after that many people would run faster then four minutes, something had changed but what? Did the human body suddenly improve? Here’s what happened, runners for the first time, after Bannister, knew that it could be done! Running that fast was not impossible. Now runners break four minutes all the time.
I believe that many Black people don’t believe that they have everything it takes to live free, independent, prosperous and joy filled lives on there own without help from anyone and this makes me very sad. I think that many Black people are like the runners before Bannister, who if they failed to beat four minutes would think, “Well, I ran fast enough, it’s impossible to beat four minutes anyway.”
Racism becomes an internal barrier for many Black people, I believe. Problems of every kind can be blamed upon it. Can’t get a job? Racism. Can’t get though school? Racism. Pulled over for a traffic ticket? Racism, and on and on.
This mentality is truly enslavement and unfortunately it has become a source of power for many on the Left. Many political leaders have found that all they have to do to motivate the enslaved to action is to address racism and promise to set the captives free.
Conservative’s know that Black people don’t need, “To be set free” they ARE free; they just need to realize it in their hearts. Also, they need to realize that the key to remaining free is accepting responsibility for themselves and their families. You can not be free and live off of others.
I know how you felt, Greg, when you saw the Black people on the Glen Beck show. My heart gets a pang of joy when I see Black people taking responsibility and fighting for real freedom.
If anyone reading this is offended by what I’ve written than I sincerely apologize. I believe that our nation will be stronger when everyone is free and what I see is that many of our fellow citizens have traded the white slave owner’s house for the White House in Washington D.C.
This Rogger Bannister story I remember hearing from a preacher! I see where you are getting at Paulie, but it is unsound – spiritually and scientfically – to approach a multi-faceted and highly complex issue such as identity by disecting it and dividing it into peices.
Some things can be approached in such manner, however, like jigsaws, somethings are best to be seen holistically. In this case, racial conciousness is the last thing you want to compare as a simple race.
I see the ‘moral of the story,’ so to speak! Yet, you are failing to consider the interaction between socio-structural + historical forces and humanity.
Yes, you are free; yet your freedom is governed by natural, biological, spiritual, and in this case, social laws. It is very simplistic to place the burden of freedom to the one already historically oppressed and victimized. It is like blaming an abused wife or blaming a woman who has been raped without considering the conditioned structual events that took place in the interaction between her and the perpetrator, which in my case is nevertheless, also a victim of external and internal forces.
Look, what you are implying – though with good heart i’m sure – places the burden of humantarian freedom and justice on those who have been abused and oppressed! That’s like breaking someones leg and then blaming them for not being able to walk properly, or taking a long time to do so! Catch my drift?
You cannot render ‘whites’ once again salient and invisible in their historical and present day participation in race related anti-humanitarian.
Look, as I tell my folks: a wound cannot heal if you ignore it or try to deny its existence. This is unfortunately what whites have unknowingly been doing. I know it may be done out of good faith and intentions, however, as a socio-psychologist, I know that something as emotionally and cognitively charged as racism will not go by ignoring it; only by looking at it and then going through it.
A woman trying to forget how she was abused will often find that 10 years later she still is hunted by the memory; and this is so for she has tried to stuff it and repress its memory instead of liberating it. Yet, in order to liberate something one has to muster the courage to look at it as leaves.
It’s also odd that you say you are joyful when you see black people “trying to take responsible for their lives.” Well, as you mentioned above, you have not had much experience with nonwhites and their culture, and i can observe that you havent studied Critical White Studies and engaged in a self-reflective engagment where you realize that your whiteness is a social construct and conditoning; just like how people act out gender; many also act out ‘race.’
Anyways, let us refrain from perpetuating the rhetorics found amongst many so called anti-racist pedagogy.
In short, Paulie, both ‘whites’ and ‘nonwhites’ have been mentally abused and attacked by historical notions of white supremict ideologies. Yes, ‘whites’ as well are victims of white supremacy! While the effect not be structural or physical as nonwhites, it nevertheless shapes their perception and psychology. It effects their interaction and what they call reality. And this is so for every colours. Whites have internalized white supremist ideologies in various degrees – from extrem to mild to unconcious – and so have nonwhites!
Cheers!
Whooahh :0) ! I think you may be giving me too much credit! As I wrote, I don’t claim to know very much about racism at all. I certainly never sat down and, “studied Critical White Studies and engaged in a self-reflective engagement where I realized that my whiteness was a social construct and conditioning;” (And if it ever looks like I’m about to do that someone please slap me.) What I wrote was that in my travels I just haven’t seen racism. I’ve lived on both coats and in the middle. I’ve held all kinds of jobs. I was in the military with Black people and I work with them now. I go out after work and have beers with Black co-workers, I tell jokes with Blacks, we talk about our kids and what we’re going to do on the weekend. I smile at them and they smile back. It’s not deep but it’s real. I’ve just always seen people being people and getting along, that’s my experience. The white people who I know don’t hate Black people, that’s my experience too.
The Bannistar story (Which I heard via a preacher also, by the way) speaks to the idea of internal barriers. Often times we limit ourselves, not consciously perhaps, but we’ve been “Programmed” a certain way. Now, you’ve written “It is very simplistic to place the burden of freedom to the one already historically oppressed and victimized” So I ask, “Then who should be responsible? Who has the burden of freeing the Black person, for example, from his internal barrier? I’m talking practically here. If a Black man feels inferior, feels oppressed, etc, who should free him? Should the Black man wait for someone to come along, wait for me? Wait for enough white people to take enough classes on racism so that all of society changes for the Black man? As hard as it may sound the person who will have to free the individual Black man is the individual Black man. Yes, from a practical standpoint the individual must free himself because the alternative, waiting for society to change, will not help the individual. While he waits, and he’ll wait all his life, he’ll be a slave to the programming he received.
This is why I responded to Greg’s post and wrote how happy it made me to see Black people who somehow have freed themselves. I’m sorry but I see very little to gain in talking about racism all the time. How about just treating everyone you meet at a friend until they prove that they can’t be your friend? I think that that’s the solution to racism not telling every child from kindergarten on that if someone treats them badly then it may be because of your race. I think that this kind of thing just perpetuates racism.
Well, that’s my take.
Sounds like a lot of hogwash to me. How can you equate an abused woman with someone feeeling like a victim because of slavery? Seperated by hundreds of years, you cannot claim to feeel their pain and expect to realistically be believed. With all the social and economic changes that have taken place since, to still buy into that kind of victimology or plantation ideological dogma, is self-defeating. In addition to that, it also portends to excuse attitudes and behaviors that are destructive to not only yourself, your race, but society as a whole.
In your post you keep trying to equate things happening to a person in thier own life to things you can only read about in history books, as one and the same.
A broken leg your great great great grandfather had does not cause you the same or worse physical pain than your own broken leg. To assume that it does and must be treated like it does is absurd.
To imagine the ancestors of the person that broke your great great great grandfathers leg still owes you retribution for it. Is too ignorant to even say out loud.
Pretending that, your great great great grandaddy’s broken leg prevents you from getting an education, or a job, or relinquishes you from responsibility for your actions is exactly the idea fermenting in the minds of many minorities and poor whites alike. Thanks to liberal victim ideology, plantation politics if you will. That my friend is racism. To deny that everybody has the ability to rise above their current circumstances is a joke at face value. To pretend they can’t rise above their ancestors circumstances, is too stupid to even consider.
Greg, Greg, oh idiotic Greg, you know not what you type. You take the extreme and attempt to make it norm for all non-whites. Any non-white that claims that their great great great granddad that was beat by a white man is the reason they can’t get ahead is just as stupid as you. I would be first in line to call them the dumbass that they are. Only a very small percent, less than one percent feel that way and just like you, I could care less about them. So, for you to yack about non-whites playing the victim card is crazy. The reason you hear non-whites talk about racism is because there are still ignorant racist white folks out there doing racist things. You would never experience racism because you are part of the majority. You know the saying, majority rules. So, if non-whites are the minority in this country, and whites are the majority, it is fair to say that things favor whites. example, if you take your white ass to Mexico to live, you would be a minority. If you get mistreated by the native Mexicans, you would then learn what it means to face real racism. You are disliked and judged for your skin color and nothing else. DWB, driving while black, is real. Your white ass would never experience that because you are not black. It is annoying reading white guys talk about racism, never experiencing it themselves. It is like me complaining about being white. I don’t know how it is. Long story short, just because there are laws against race crimes and segregation is not the law of the land, don’t mean the world is all honky dorry. Just read some of the post on this site, read the hate being writen about non-whites, the President etc. That is not racist. And you wonder why I call you a dumbass. I will give you the benifit of the doubt and instead of calling you a dumbass this time, I will call you an IGNORANT ASS. Think before you type and speak.
put alil love in your heart
I’ll have to commend you on your attempt at a real dialogue this time. Regardless of your idiotic personal attacks at the bottom. How do you know I haven’t experienced racism?
I was working in South Korea during the LA riots. Hard for you to believe perhaps, but what blacks did to Korean store owners in LA, caused a lot of Koreans to try to hold this white American responsible. I was the only White person in town, many drunken Koreans would scream all kinds of insults and threats in broken English at me. Store owners would usher me out the door rather than do business with me. Resteraunts wouldn’t serve me. It was fairly uncomfortable.
I dare say you don’t experience anything like that here. Having been raised in the South, having been an army brat, and having travelled as much as I have, I think my experience has worth. I believe I have told you before in the Asian girl thread, that who you are speaks louder than what you say.
Look at the example you are giving here, as compared to the example in you gave in the Asian girl thread. Notice any difference in treatment? If you act like a moron, regardless of your race, you can pretty much count on being treated like a moron. That isn’t racism.
Many blacks I work with claim racism as a way to avoid work, then file grievances and lawsuits when laid off. How do you think that reflects on your race? That makes it harder for the next black guy to come to work and make a living. I can say with no exaggeration that the former outnumber the latter substantially, at least in the field I work in. I see that as self inflicted consequences on your own race. If you look at the uniform crime report at the Dept. of Justice website, blacks make up just 13% of the population, yet they commit fully 54% of all murders!?! Primarily black on black crime. Why? I have always been color blind myself, taking each individual as he or she presents themselves. Because that works in my life, on the other hand I don’t make policy. Policy makers have to take statistics into consideration. Being in the minority has a lot of advantages you don’t seem to be aware of. While overseas, many times as the only white guy in town, and the only one many of the people I was living and working with had ever known personally. I was painfully aware that who I was to these people was going to be the impression they, their families, and friends had of my race.
By being the best man I could be, because we all have the same hopes, dreams, and desires in life, I gained a host of friends, and gauranteed a better experience for the next American that followed me. While I’m sure racism exists, understanding my role in it, and my ability to improve the situation forces me to rise above some douchebags personal experience and try to give them a new improved impression of my race.
I know many don’t think they should be judged by others actions, but that just flat isn’t reality. Unfair, sure it is. Regardless, it still is. Policy isn’t going to change anybodies perceptions. You might wanna think about that.
Everybody with a brain knows policy will change nada, but, doing away with laws that protect a group of people is not the answer either. So you got a little taste of hostility in South Korea, I asure you that was nothing to what non whites are use to on a daily basis here at home in the states. Just because you are not going around calling non-whites racially insensitive names don’t mean it is not being done. The portrayal of all non whites in the US is very negative, but non moreso than the portrayal of Blacks and Hispanics.
You said ” Many blacks I work with claim racism as a way to avoid work, then file grievances and lawsuits when laid off. How do you think that reflects on your race? That makes it harder for the next black guy to come to work and make a living. I can say with no exaggeration that the former outnumber the latter substantially, at least in the field I work in. I see that as self inflicted consequences on your own race.”
Now, that right there shows just how ignorant you are. Meaning, you have a pre-conceived notion that all blacks pull the race card just to get out of work. That is just plan DUMB. Being a non white, I can assure you that if a black man is working, he will only call racism when racism is present. Ignorant, lazy negros will not even bother to apply for the job, let alone show up everyday. That is the minority of the black community even though that small group gets the majority of attention from the media and people like yourself.
I will say this, you had a small taste of being discriminated against in a foreign land, but when you came home, it was a different story. Imagine experiencing that everyday at home and then have to listen to some white man say racism is not a issue or problem in this country. You would never know because it does not effect you. At the end of the day, your just another white man but for a non white, it is a different story. Where ever a non white go, they have the burden of representing a whole race. You don’t have that problem. You see one or two lazy non whites and you feel that all are like that. That’s ignorant. You are correct about one thing though, and that is as a non white, we do have some big advantages and I do know of them and I do utilize them.
But don’t make the mistake of thinking that a couple of little perks will dismiss a predjudice system.
put alil love in your heart
There you go again, just because you don’t accept responsibility or reality doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply to you. I think the “big advantages” you are refering to and utilize are the ones that you and many of your brothers use to avoid work. You are going to think this is racist I know, but I work with a bunch of black guys in construction, the ones that improve a black mans image in the workplace aren’t American born. Two were born in Eritrea, hard working normal dudes, good senses of humor and a joy to be around. Most all the American born black guys, well you know the story there.
The funny thing about construction is, who you are is how much square footage you produce, regardless of what ever else you say, think, feel, do, or the color of your skin. Call this racism if you want, I have been partnered up with black guys many times. On this last job, my first black partner lasted a couple of months. About 1 month and 29 days longer than he should have because he would leave me to accomplish the task while he wandered around looking for a way to “blow his nose”. My second black partner would sit in the honeybucket on his cell phone 3 or 4 times a day for 20 to 40 minutes at a time. The foreman would come by and ask me where my partner was, I would tell him he was in the office. He was a running joke on the job and acted like nobody knew what he was doing.
My third black partner lasted the rest of the job, because I wouldn’t give him up. He was from Eritrea, he wasn’t born with the victim mentality you have. While his English wasn’t great, he is smart, has a good attitude and a hell of a work ethic. This resulted in, you geussed it, square footage. Both of the former black guys had to be escorted off the job, because people like that are often the ones that fall down and get hurt on their way out so they can claim L&I for months after. I have given several white guys the “job walk” as well.
I said in my last post, that it really isnt fair, but when the majority of the people of a certain race that you have to deal with behave in a certain way, stereotypes are born. Meaning there is more than a little truth to it. On the other hand, like I said in my previous post, a guy like you that knows the stereotypes can make the situation much better for yourself and those that follow right behind you by proving the stereotype wrong. It isn’t hard, just produce some sqaure footage and miraculously you have made the world a better place for all races.
Or you can just sit there, with your poor me face on and wait for the world to revolve around you.
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No worries Greg, I blame home schooling for your stupidity. It amazes me to no end how dumbass people like yourself are so willing to fight for the profits of insurance companies. WoW, the mind wobbles. As your dumbass should already know, there is gov. run auto insurance, why are you not protesting that dumbass? No, let capitalism ring is all your dumbass sings not realizing you are only screwing yourself in the long run because healthcare makes money off YOU and me. They can and do raise prices for no reason whatso ever. Excuse me, they raise prices for profits. And you call me stupid. Our President is spending money now to save money in the future dumbass. Funny how you always leave that fun fact out. And as for unemployment dumbass, it was rising long before Obama became President. Don’t act like your dumbass forgot that lil fact either. Basically, you are full of it and I enjoy telling you that on a regular basis dumbass. The only thing worse that a blow hard is a DUMBASS blowhard who has the intelligence of a rock. (no disrespect to rocks) Grow a brain DUMBASS.
put alil love in your heart
ho ho ho muthafucka
You are just amazingly stupid. 10.2% unemployment and the economy is looking up? Spending was the only legitimate bitch any liberal fruitcake had against GW and obamao’s doubling the deficit overnight, then tripling it the next day has people feeeeeling better about the future? Now he’s trying to take over 1/6 of the economy with his healthcare debacle and you are still oblivious? You are the most ignorant individual I have ever met in my life, black, or white. Don’t worry though, I’m not gonna hold all blacks responsible for your complete lack of mental faculties. I’m gonna blame public education. You are off my list.
Wow Greg, you never cease to amaze me. You continually prove me right on one little fun fact, and that is, your a DUMBASS. Allow me to break it down for you son, if someone is good at sports, I call them a athlete. If someone is good at math, I call them a mathmatician. If someone can read and speak well, I call them an articulate. If one only says DUMB SHIT, I have no choice but to call them (you) a DUMBASS. I could use fancy words, but why would I use them on the likes of you. You are sooo not worth it. I know what I am talking about when I speak and type, the question is, do you. I look at results. That near depression economy this country was in is letting up, housing is getting better, people are feeling better about the future. That speaks volumes to a smart person. A dumbass on the other hand, see things differently.
I have logic, do you? I will keep this post short because you are not worth my time. I will for now on, just call you a dumbass and keep it moving. But before I do that son, let me tell ya boy that I don’t need your dumbass complimenting me on anything I write. I don’t type here for your approval for anything son, so get that thru your thick head. Anywhoo, your a dumbass, it is not the first time I told you that, and it sure as hell won’t be the last. So
put alil love in your heart dumbass
ps
you not a dumbass because you are white, you a dumbass because you are just plain dog butt dumb.
smooches fruitcake.
ho ho ho muthafucka
Congratulations! I am happy for you if you have indeed done something to step outside the stereotype. On the other hand I doubt it. Two reasons, the first being your penchant for foul mouthed discourse is not a characteristic of anybody that has achieved any amount of success, the second, your lack of an ability to ‘reason’.
I look at obamao being an incompetent clown, not because he’s black, but because of his track record, his choice of cabinet members, his policies, and his performance. I wonder what or why you think anything obamao is doing is a good idea? Do you know anything about anything he is doing?
I didn’t say all negroes were stupid and lazy, I said, I knew of two that weren’t as a matter of fact. Niether of them were born here, but they were still negroes. You can read into that all you want, and probably will. I don’t care. Your moonbat hallucinations don’t effect my life one way or another. Your idiotic assertion, that I feel better when putting others down is the proof in the pudding that you are an inarticulate jackass.
Time and again I have tried to get you to refrain from using foul mouthed idiotic drivel, time and again I have tried to have a reasoned conversation with you, time and again, I have complimented you when you made some effort in that direction.
You are a complete idiot. You have no idea what the hell YOU are talking about, let alone the people YOU are talking to. I’ll tell you another thing, you are not an ignorant jackass because you are black, you are an ignorant jackass because of what you choose.
Once again, you make IGNORANT ASSumptions. I will not argue that the two gentlemen you talked about were not panited in a very good light, but for you to make the assumption that all american born non-whites are lazy is just DUMB. You might as well be a man and come right out and say it because all your doing is beating around the bush. Say it so that I can call you a even bigger dumbass. Greg, I am far from having a poor me face, matter of fact, I have a big smile
on my face. Why, because I am black and sucessfull in america. I live good, my black family and friends live good, and guess what, I don’t have to thank a white man for it either. 
With your logic, who would have thought it. A successful american born black man living as good, if not better than YOU. Like yourself, I have had my experience with lazy, good for nothing white men, does that make if fair for me to create a steriotype about ALL white men? No, therefore I don’t. I do however, make judgement about dumbasses and their stupid, idiotic, moronic, dumbass labels they place on people other than themselves. YOU PEOPLE are just losers in life who have to put others down so that you feel better about youself. You hate me because I represent everything you disbelieve. A successful black man who could give a frogs fat ass about your opinion because I know it is worth its weight in doo doo. You hate your President because you are pissed that when you look in the highest job in the land, you see a intelligent black man. Suck it up whiteman, I see right thru you, your not a intellictual, your a dumbass. Play your part.
put alil love in your heart
I couldn’t agree more. What was amazing to me was hearing black people describle the plantation politics of the democrats so clearly. All conservatives of every stripe and color automatically understand this.
The democrats have been quite successful in the old divide and conquer strategy, destroying that which binds us, then by pulling a bunch of different factions under the same tent called socialism. The communists used to call them useful fools.
I’m interested in your views on how the media and public education, has developed and fostered the victim mentality prevelent in society today. As you can plainly see by leftwing posters on this board, it seems critical thinking has left the building and is no longer a functioning part of these peoples brains.
I couldn’t disagree more. What was amazing to me was hearing black people describle the plantation politics of the democrats so clearly. I never would have thought blacks talked like that. I wish I could. All conservatives of every stripe and color automatically understand this as bullshit.
The republicans have been quite successful in the old divide and conquer strategy, destroying that which binds us, then by pulling a bunch of different factions under the same tent called socialism. The communists used to call them useful fools.
I’m interested in your views on how the media and public education, has developed and fostered the victim mentality prevelent in society today. As you can plainly see by rightwing posters on this board, it seems critical thinking has left the building and is no longer a functioning part of these peoples brains.
Here is a fine example of disagreeing with my post in a moronic and idiotic fashion. Instead of using some sound reasoning ability, your mocking foul mouthed idiocy screams, treat me like the idiot I am. When you get what your asking for, don’t call it racism, because nobody can see what color you are.
Wurd?
Don’t listen to him Paulie4, I love your tough talk on how Obama is ruining the country. It makes me hot and my booty wet. Tell me more you sexy fucking blowmehard. I am massaging my two inch pecker right now while I read your diatribe. Yes, tell me more you sexy fucker you. Reading your words makes me want to shove my weener so far up your ass, it makes me want to scream. Paulie, OH Paulie…….Yessss….. Give it too me. Oh Paulie, I am on my knees, stick it in my asss baby, Yesssss. Butt fuck me like the bitch boy that I am. Your ilk drives me wild.
You have to wonder how liberals get the idea that they represent an “educated class” with their arguements.
Fuck you!
Fuck your mother dumbass.
I already fucked yours Lone Ranger.
I fucked yours first and your daddy and your sister and your dog.
I got fucked by everybody and the dog. hehe
Your sister tossed my salad….. me likey
How could you have such a cool name and be such a douchebag?
I ask that myself, then I realize that I am you. I am you, you are me, we live together in perfect, harmony. With my asian blowup doll, rusty pick-up and construction business. I feel very accomplished. Never mind the forclosures, divorce, kids that don’t respect me, and a business that no longer makes money, I am A-Ok. Sniff, too bad I don’t use know how to use my rear view mirror, I never would have run over my daughters pet doggie. Then I never would have had to go in her room to wake her up and allow her the chance to watch her beloved pooch die in a puddle of blood in the middle of the night in our drive-way. Besides the many years of theropy she has to endure because of it, it has made her, and me, a better person.
Wow. There are people who actually do have shit for brains.
Good luck with that!
Ya know!!! I was never the brightest bulb in the box. Look at me arguing with myself.
Good ploy! not. Regardless of having nothing to say, you change your name and say something stupid anyway.
Your ilk sickens me Lone faggot. You are kind of cute though, sitting atop your white horse with you pretty little mask on. It makes my butt wet. Bend me over and horse fuck me hard.
Pardon me if I don’t give a rats ass what sickens you princess. Your homo-infatuation, while flattering to some, is going to go unfulfilled here as well. You might as well get back out on the street and try peddling your ass there.
Nah, I will go ahead and peddle your faggot ass instead.
I eat boogers too
So what?
American’s are out of work and our economic future is being spent all because B.O. and gang believe that the government, not individual Americans, should be the source of all that is good in America.
So what?!
Can you do anything about it?
NO?!
Then STFU. Your opinions are about as useless as passing gas. Although the act may feel good to you, the gas you’re passing is an indicator that you are full of shit.
Let’s all walk calmly off the Grassy Knoll and take our aluminum foil hats off for a second and have a conversation.
In your last paragraph you wrote: “republican former president and his entourage are the originators of this mess, and their administrations are to be blamed.”
What do you mean by “This mess,” and what did the former president exactly do to cause it?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Hey, why so down little trooper? There are all sorts of things we can do. The people still have the power; we’re just not using it …so start using it! I went to my first Tea Party a couple of weeks ago. Contact your representatives and above all remember who voted for things like the health care bill and cap and trade, so you can vote them out!
Speaking of little troopers, I have a one and a half inch trooper right here. Reach in my trousers and introduce yourself again. Don’t be shy Paulie4, nobody has to know how you gained the title of ‘blowhard’. Ps, it don’t have to do with your long diatribes you write either. Just bring those anti President lips over here and do what you do best, shallow throat.
Do your parents know you are on-line, talking to big people?
Your the pervert talking trying to pick up little boys.
In your dream little man, in your dreams.
No, I don’t want you to touch me there sir. Noooooo, thats my no no spot.
Well, I’m guessing Paulie thinks that if enough of you people would use your brain instead of your feeeeelings, you might be compelled to vote differently and change the course obamao has us on.
But I can see how your foul mouthed drivel is much more inspiring than reasoned thought on the issues facing this country.
Good luck with that!
Up yours Greg and Paulie4!!!!!!! If you have a better idea how to get this country out the mess our former president got us in, then run for president and fix it. If not, shut the f&@k up.
Good luck with THAT!
Now look at how nonsensicle your whole world view is. Do you see any of us blaming your mother because you are a douchebag??
Do you see anybody blaming her for the idiotic and moronic responses you post?
At some point your ilk are going to have to take responsibilty for your actions. You can’t keep whining,”its not my fault, its not my fault”. Yeah, it is. Man up you sissy.
Me, a sissy? Your the one getting buttfucked on the internets moron. You and your buttbuddy P4 need to shaddap already. Do the world a favor and take a long leap of a high cliff.
Yeah, you are a panty wearing sissy. A first class coward! Completely intimidated by people who know what they are talking about, you respond with an unbelievable level of stupidity, imagining you are defending your point of view. You also think your comments offend people, they don’t. All you do is make yourself look even more pathetic and maladjusted.
Carry on!
Fuck you, and not the way Paulie fucks you in the ass, but the bad way. May Paulie4 fuck you in the mouth while Greg fucks you up the ass like the homo sandwich you are.
aren’t you the clever little queer, we should get together
You are almost as clever a queer as me.
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