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		<title>By: VeganSucks</title>
		<link>http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/27/32-veganvegetarianism/#comment-183883</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just love the fact that vegans all claim to have nothing but love and peace in their hearts, and yet whenever there is anyone who remotely challenges their &quot;philosophy&quot; in any way, they get their hemp panties in a bunch sooner than you can say Jack Robinson.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love the fact that vegans all claim to have nothing but love and peace in their hearts, and yet whenever there is anyone who remotely challenges their &#8220;philosophy&#8221; in any way, they get their hemp panties in a bunch sooner than you can say Jack Robinson.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/27/32-veganvegetarianism/#comment-183538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey it takes all kinds--vegans, vegetarians, meat-eaters.  Sure it&#039;s not always ethical...but then again we all do bad things. The worst, however, is judging people for being different, because we all can learn something from others. Remember it takes all sorts of facets to make the most beautiful diamonds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey it takes all kinds&#8211;vegans, vegetarians, meat-eaters.  Sure it&#8217;s not always ethical&#8230;but then again we all do bad things. The worst, however, is judging people for being different, because we all can learn something from others. Remember it takes all sorts of facets to make the most beautiful diamonds.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
		<link>http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/27/32-veganvegetarianism/#comment-183140</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t give a fuck if it&#039;s natural or not the reason I went vegan is because I don&#039;t like the idea that 11,000 animals should have to suffer and die to sustain me when they don&#039;t have to. And I&#039;m not going to NOT do it because the tosser who wrote this (along with 95% of everyone else in the world) thinks I think I&#039;m better than them for doing it. Then I really would be an image obsessed white person.

(btw, what&#039;s natural about adult humans drinking cows milk or eating chicken eggs, or any milk or eggs at all?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t give a fuck if it&#8217;s natural or not the reason I went vegan is because I don&#8217;t like the idea that 11,000 animals should have to suffer and die to sustain me when they don&#8217;t have to. And I&#8217;m not going to NOT do it because the tosser who wrote this (along with 95% of everyone else in the world) thinks I think I&#8217;m better than them for doing it. Then I really would be an image obsessed white person.</p>
<p>(btw, what&#8217;s natural about adult humans drinking cows milk or eating chicken eggs, or any milk or eggs at all?)</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Anne Thropy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ms. Anne Thropy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The entire basis for your argument is incorrect.  B12, or cobalamin, is produced by bacteria that is found in the soil.  Humans obtained the amount of B12 they needed by eating vegetables that were grown in the soil until they began washing them off to such a level that the B12 was no longer present.

The grains and other food fed to animals do not go through this process so the still contain an ample amount of B12, which is then found in the animals flesh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire basis for your argument is incorrect.  B12, or cobalamin, is produced by bacteria that is found in the soil.  Humans obtained the amount of B12 they needed by eating vegetables that were grown in the soil until they began washing them off to such a level that the B12 was no longer present.</p>
<p>The grains and other food fed to animals do not go through this process so the still contain an ample amount of B12, which is then found in the animals flesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregalicious</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rather than share the link, I think its better if you obozo fluffing douchebags read this for yourself…. 

August 18, 2011 Obama: The Affirmative Action President by Matt Patterson (columnist – Washington Post, New York Post, San Francisco Examiner)

Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world’s largest economy, direct the world’s most powerful military, execute the world’s most consequential job?

Imagine a future historian examining Obama’s pre-presidential life: usheredinto and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scoresalong the way; a cushy non-job as a “community organizer”; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in factnearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote “present”) ; and finally an unaccomplished single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions. He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as a legislator.

And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama’s “spiritual mentor”; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama’s colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?

Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal:

To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspokenhater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers, would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama was black, andtherefore entitled in the eyes of liberaldom to have hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass.

Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass — held to a lower standard — because of the color of his skin. Podhoretz continues:

And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also so articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said) “non-threatening,” all of which gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of racism to rest?

Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the Obama phenomenon — affirmative action. Not in the legal sense, of course. But certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed primarily to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about themselves.

Unfortunately, minorities often suffer so that whites can pat themselves on the back. Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools for which they are notqualified, yet take no responsibility for the inevitable poor performance and high drop-out rates which follow. Liberals don’t care if these minority students fail; liberals aren’t around to witness the emotional devastation and deflated self esteem resulting from the racist policy that is affirmative action. Yes, racist.

Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the color of his skin — that’s affirmative action in a nutshell, and if that isn’t racism, then nothing is. And that is what America did to Obama.

True, Obama himself was never troubled by his lack of achievements, but whywould he be? As many have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for Columbia despite undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good enough for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois ; he was told he wasgood enough to be president despite no record at all in the Senate. All hislife, every step of the way, Obama was told he was good enough for the nextstep, in spite of ample evidence to the contrary. What could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display every time Obama speaks?

In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked executive qualifications nonetheless raved about Obama’s oratory skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people — conservatives included — ought now to be deeply embarrassed. The man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of clichÃ©s, and that’s when he has his teleprompter in front of him; when the prompter is absent he can barely think or speak at all. Not one original idea has ever issued from his mouth — it’s all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that has failed over and over again for 100 years.

And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I inheritedthis mess. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise his own powerlessness, so comfortable with his own incompetence. But really, what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly?

In short: our president is a small and small-minded man, with neither the temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of liberty and prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise with such a man in the Oval Office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than share the link, I think its better if you obozo fluffing douchebags read this for yourself…. </p>
<p>August 18, 2011 Obama: The Affirmative Action President by Matt Patterson (columnist – Washington Post, New York Post, San Francisco Examiner)</p>
<p>Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world’s largest economy, direct the world’s most powerful military, execute the world’s most consequential job?</p>
<p>Imagine a future historian examining Obama’s pre-presidential life: usheredinto and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scoresalong the way; a cushy non-job as a “community organizer”; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in factnearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote “present”) ; and finally an unaccomplished single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions. He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as a legislator.</p>
<p>And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama’s “spiritual mentor”; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama’s colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?</p>
<p>Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal:</p>
<p>To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspokenhater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers, would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama was black, andtherefore entitled in the eyes of liberaldom to have hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass.</p>
<p>Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass — held to a lower standard — because of the color of his skin. Podhoretz continues:</p>
<p>And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also so articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said) “non-threatening,” all of which gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of racism to rest?</p>
<p>Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the Obama phenomenon — affirmative action. Not in the legal sense, of course. But certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed primarily to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about themselves.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, minorities often suffer so that whites can pat themselves on the back. Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools for which they are notqualified, yet take no responsibility for the inevitable poor performance and high drop-out rates which follow. Liberals don’t care if these minority students fail; liberals aren’t around to witness the emotional devastation and deflated self esteem resulting from the racist policy that is affirmative action. Yes, racist.</p>
<p>Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the color of his skin — that’s affirmative action in a nutshell, and if that isn’t racism, then nothing is. And that is what America did to Obama.</p>
<p>True, Obama himself was never troubled by his lack of achievements, but whywould he be? As many have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for Columbia despite undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good enough for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois ; he was told he wasgood enough to be president despite no record at all in the Senate. All hislife, every step of the way, Obama was told he was good enough for the nextstep, in spite of ample evidence to the contrary. What could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display every time Obama speaks?</p>
<p>In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked executive qualifications nonetheless raved about Obama’s oratory skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people — conservatives included — ought now to be deeply embarrassed. The man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of clichÃ©s, and that’s when he has his teleprompter in front of him; when the prompter is absent he can barely think or speak at all. Not one original idea has ever issued from his mouth — it’s all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that has failed over and over again for 100 years.</p>
<p>And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I inheritedthis mess. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise his own powerlessness, so comfortable with his own incompetence. But really, what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly?</p>
<p>In short: our president is a small and small-minded man, with neither the temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of liberty and prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise with such a man in the Oval Office.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/27/32-veganvegetarianism/#comment-182783</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 01:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not too difficult to figure out that a strict vegan diet is not natural and should be avoided.  The Evidence?  Every single one of them has to take Vitamin B12 supplements (a vital micro-nutrient), as this is only found in animal-based foods.  They&#039;re dependent on these supplements being available at their stores, courtesy of the unnatural forces driving the economy that so many vegans are &quot;rebelling&quot; against.

These diet fads, whether they&#039;re non-fat, all-protein, all-carb, no carb, no meat, no dairy, raw, ad nauseam...they all manifest from a singular problem:

Human inactivity.

If much of your daily tasks involve physically exerting yourself to near-constant exhaustion, it really does not matter what you eat, because those calories will be instantly utilized and burned off.  High fat, protein &amp; carb meals (animal-based due to caloric density) are preferred for the highly active.  This is a very simplistic explanation, as there are complexities which allow for varied performance in physical activities.

For a predominately inactive culture (that progressed from a highly-active culture just to sustain existence through hunting &amp; gathering), the aforementioned diet is atrocious.  Too many calories, and no way of using them, leads to the problems we see particularly in American culture: obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer.  Again, a very simplistic explanation, but complexities remain.

One of these complexities, which works for one side and against the other, is toxicity.  Our bodies detoxify naturally...when they have the time.  Digestion takes priority over detoxification, and when foods with increased levels of toxins (primarily foods that are processed, cooked and/or animal based) enter the body, they often take a long time to digest.  As a result, toxins build up over time that can lead to systemic problems.

If you are largely inactive (9-5 desk job, TV at night, sleep), the traditional &quot;American&quot; diet is not ideal for your health.  If you are seriously physically active, for your job or otherwise, especially in colder climates, there is much more leeway.  It certainly makes sense to choose quality foods in both circumstances, but their sources (plant or animal) and how they are prepared (raw or cooked) don&#039;t matter much for the highly active, as your activity allows for faster digestion and a more rapid approach to detoxification.

That being said, it is ideal to avoid these toxins in the first place, which is where the raw foods crowd has things dialed.  If you are largely inactive, and want the best of both world&#039;s, consider a raw paleolithic diet (it&#039;s like a raw vegan, but with raw egg yolks and raw fresh fish added.  Egg yolk and fish (salmon and/or tuna) provide nearly the whole spectrum of your micronutrients (vitamins &amp; minerals) while also two of your three macronutrients (fat &amp; protein).

It has nothing to do with &quot;making a difference&quot; for the earth, or other such nonsense.  It has all to do with improving your own health and livelihood.  You can&#039;t save the earth...but you can save yourself.

Keep on having fun...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not too difficult to figure out that a strict vegan diet is not natural and should be avoided.  The Evidence?  Every single one of them has to take Vitamin B12 supplements (a vital micro-nutrient), as this is only found in animal-based foods.  They&#8217;re dependent on these supplements being available at their stores, courtesy of the unnatural forces driving the economy that so many vegans are &#8220;rebelling&#8221; against.</p>
<p>These diet fads, whether they&#8217;re non-fat, all-protein, all-carb, no carb, no meat, no dairy, raw, ad nauseam&#8230;they all manifest from a singular problem:</p>
<p>Human inactivity.</p>
<p>If much of your daily tasks involve physically exerting yourself to near-constant exhaustion, it really does not matter what you eat, because those calories will be instantly utilized and burned off.  High fat, protein &amp; carb meals (animal-based due to caloric density) are preferred for the highly active.  This is a very simplistic explanation, as there are complexities which allow for varied performance in physical activities.</p>
<p>For a predominately inactive culture (that progressed from a highly-active culture just to sustain existence through hunting &amp; gathering), the aforementioned diet is atrocious.  Too many calories, and no way of using them, leads to the problems we see particularly in American culture: obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer.  Again, a very simplistic explanation, but complexities remain.</p>
<p>One of these complexities, which works for one side and against the other, is toxicity.  Our bodies detoxify naturally&#8230;when they have the time.  Digestion takes priority over detoxification, and when foods with increased levels of toxins (primarily foods that are processed, cooked and/or animal based) enter the body, they often take a long time to digest.  As a result, toxins build up over time that can lead to systemic problems.</p>
<p>If you are largely inactive (9-5 desk job, TV at night, sleep), the traditional &#8220;American&#8221; diet is not ideal for your health.  If you are seriously physically active, for your job or otherwise, especially in colder climates, there is much more leeway.  It certainly makes sense to choose quality foods in both circumstances, but their sources (plant or animal) and how they are prepared (raw or cooked) don&#8217;t matter much for the highly active, as your activity allows for faster digestion and a more rapid approach to detoxification.</p>
<p>That being said, it is ideal to avoid these toxins in the first place, which is where the raw foods crowd has things dialed.  If you are largely inactive, and want the best of both world&#8217;s, consider a raw paleolithic diet (it&#8217;s like a raw vegan, but with raw egg yolks and raw fresh fish added.  Egg yolk and fish (salmon and/or tuna) provide nearly the whole spectrum of your micronutrients (vitamins &amp; minerals) while also two of your three macronutrients (fat &amp; protein).</p>
<p>It has nothing to do with &#8220;making a difference&#8221; for the earth, or other such nonsense.  It has all to do with improving your own health and livelihood.  You can&#8217;t save the earth&#8230;but you can save yourself.</p>
<p>Keep on having fun&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gregalicious</title>
		<link>http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/27/32-veganvegetarianism/#comment-182109</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since going vegan your brain and testicles have shrunk also, did you notice?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since going vegan your brain and testicles have shrunk also, did you notice?</p>
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		<title>By: Vegetarianism Versus an All-Inclusive Resort &#171; The Sporadic Sprinter: a personal blog</title>
		<link>http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/27/32-veganvegetarianism/#comment-181672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vegetarianism Versus an All-Inclusive Resort &#171; The Sporadic Sprinter: a personal blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] recognize that vegetarianism is #32 on the list of Stuff White People Like and that I&#8217;m pampered with options in restaurants in North America. From many previous trips [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recognize that vegetarianism is #32 on the list of Stuff White People Like and that I&#8217;m pampered with options in restaurants in North America. From many previous trips [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alias</title>
		<link>http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/27/32-veganvegetarianism/#comment-181363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 07:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, hey. Vegetarianism, or even just participating in Meatless Mondays, has some pretty awesome health benefits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, hey. Vegetarianism, or even just participating in Meatless Mondays, has some pretty awesome health benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Meyer</title>
		<link>http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/27/32-veganvegetarianism/#comment-179692</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You eat plants, I eat plants

You eat meat, I eat you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You eat plants, I eat plants</p>
<p>You eat meat, I eat you</p>
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